was recently introduced to a beautiful American Indian Dog and
have become extremely intrigued by them ever since. My boyfriend,
Alan, and I were visiting family in Murrel's Inlet, South Carolina
when we came across the most amazing dog. We were taking a walk
on the beach when I noticed her in the distance. Being a dog
lover and longing for my own dog which I had to leave at home
with my brother for the weekend, I was hoping to catch up to
the dog ahead of us. So I took Alan by the hand and began to
quickly. As we got closer to the dog, I couldn't take my eyes
off of her. At first I thought she was a German Shepard pup.
But as I watched her prance through the water holding her tail
up high, I realized she wasn't. Then I commented that she looked
more like a wolf. Just then, the dog caught sight of us walking
towards her and she immediately made eye contact from way down
the beach. It was then that I saw her gorgeous eyes; one
turquois and the other a yellow/blue. She stopped walking into
the water with her owners and began walking towards me, which
after reading about these animals seems a bit unusual, therefore
I feel it was fate that this dog and I met. She never once took
her eyes off of me until we made contact. She was so receptive
towards us and actually jumped up and put her arms in my arms,
letting me hold her for a long while while we spoke with her
owners. Her name is Isabelle and from what her owners described,
believe she came from your farm but I am not certain. Nonetheless,
we spoke with this family for some time about Isabelle and then
began a search on the internet to further our knowledge. And
I have to admit that I am very impressed by what I have read
about these special dogs and your way of raising and breeding
them. I would love to learn as much as I can about them, and
visit your farm, if possible, in the future. I try to make an
annual trip to Oregon each fall to visit friends. I feel it's
important for me to see the animals in action, so to speak,
and speak with you about my personality and lifestyle before
making a decision as to whether this is the right animal for
us. From everything I have learned so far, however, I do think
a good match would be possible. I am curious how often you breed
the dogs. And do you think a visit to your farm might be possible
in the fall. Keep up the great work, and thank you for making
another special moment in
my life possible.
think you're taking testimonials for the AI dogs, and, well,
it's a rare moment I'm not talking about some aspect of Topaz!
I'm sure my imagesoo belie my passion, my words reflect the life
altering impact that she's had on us! I also want to say that
I don't care about the politics or the opinions of others, on
this issue, other than what you say. We have employed your tough
love, even when it was tough on us, and we have a marvelous,
outgoing, eager to please fluff muffin (to a point, I'm sure
you may have heard some of Topaz' bouts of aggression with some
of the younger dogs, and I think I have some imagesoo that prove
she is letting some dog know that they are over
stepping her very real boundaries! It's an imperative life lesson,
and she has never ever broken the skin on any dog, and she has
never been anything but SWEET as cream to all people!
here's what one dog owner has to say:
Are you looking for a low key couch potato to share some lazy
days and chips? Do not get an American Indian Dog! Are you looking
for a dog to stick in your backyard and forget about until feeding
time? Do not get an American Indian Dog.
you looking for the perfect companion animal for long hikes,
jogs on the beach and all kinds of athletic activities that
require stamina and intelligence? Then get an American Indian
Dog! Are you looking for a dog that has a natural grace, is
eager to please, and possesses a rare sensitivity? Get an American
American Indian Dog is not just rare in it's numbers. It is
a highly intelligent, high play drive, speed machine. But that
isn't so rare, there are a lot of breeds that meet this criteria.
It is the sensitive side of my dog, Topaz, a 2 1/2 year old
female, that continues to astound me. She is cuddling and endearing
in times of woe, and she is calm and quiet when we are traveling.
Her sensitivity seems to be an off shoot from her
intelligence. She is the first in her class at Agility, and
our instructor can't wait for her to compete. She is better
than her handler! She can distinguish between 7 items, that
she can retrieve on command (with just a word prompt - we don't
throw it, we just tell her out of the blue to go get it!). She
also has a myriad of parlor tricks that we work on everyday.
So this is the key to successful ownership, if you think an
American Indian Dog is for you - you must keep their brain and
body stimulated and functioning!
She has never been destructive in our house; as we have always
maintained a high activity level, and it shows. To get the most
out of these dogs you should keep them challenged and engaged!
Our American Indian Dog is not just a family member, but one
of our greatest sources of pride.
you want to really share your life with a dog, there is none
greater than an American Indian Dog, from Song Dog Kennels!
Denise LeBeau + Edward Fritz, UT
forgive me for not updating you sooner. I've been compelled to
drop you a note, if short, the last few weeks especially. Sable
continues to mature into an absolutely phenomenal companion. I
have often thought of you and your remarkable dedication to this
breed and again want to pass on our gratitude.
I hope to send you updated pictures of what is unmistakably, and
quickly becoming, the best dog I (we) may have ever known. This
is quite a compliment considering the American Indian Dog I enjoyed
while growing up in the Midwest and its extreme impressiveness.
I have also impressive examples of other breeds to compare her
to over my "many" years. Even so, Sable is enjoying
her time in Arizona patrolling our acreage, making quite sure
the rabbits, ground squirrels, geckos and birds are not "too
comfortable". Her loyalty, intellect and instincts are an
you'll remember our interview when you reminded me of this breed's
cat-like agility and keen sense of non-verbal command. I had witnessed
this previously (with what I still believe to be an AI Dog) while
growing up in Kansas, Nebraska and Northwestern Iowa. Sable displays
VERY similar characteristics yet appears to have a greater spread
of sensitivity and agility. She is EVERYTHING I remembered - and
then some - yet uniquely herself. Regularly, from over 600 feet
we communicate with one another as if we're reading one another's
unspoken thoughts. Absolutely amazing.
should also know, Sable is quite comfortable in doors or out.
She has earned the right to choose when it's cool enough, but
we protect her from peak heat time, especially here, outside of
Phoenix.. Most people are unaware how comfortable it is here,
even in the summer, except for about four hours late afternoon.
Sable catches up on her sleep during this time. Yes, she also
snuggles up to all of us when we let her up on our beds at night.
She is tough to say, "No." to but understands the word
or implication if desired. Really, Kim, she's amazing. Thank you
closing, please know your Sable Apache of Song Dog Kennels is
well cared for and continues to grow and impress. Just as you
surprised us with the wonderful timing of our request (remember
the San Diego flight on Taylor's birthday?), Sable continues to
surprise and impress us with her abilities, love and loyalty.
I might not let you know as often or as in depth as either of
us prefer, but God knows, Sable knows and hopefully you will grow
to know -- we remain eternally grateful.
Best to You -- and your extended family,
Collins - and family, AZ
My name is Donna, I am writing in regards to your American Indian
dogs. I had what I believe to be an AI dog years ago, my mother
bought it home to me telling time at that time that it was an
Indian dog. I was a single parent at that time with 2 small girls
and was not at all happy about the new addition given by my mother
but she was so cute I gave in. Mesha turned out to be the best
dog I ever owned. She was killed in an accident about 9 years
ago. I initially tried to replace her with a wolf hybrid, thinking
that they would be similar in temperament that as I am sure you
know, was a big mistake. I gave up residing to the words of those
around me saying Mesha had only been a mutt.
was last November as I searched the internet that I found the
breed on the Dog Breed information page, the words from my mother
came running back they said she was an Indian dog.
My heart jumped as I knew that this was the type of dog Mesha
had been. Mesha was a black and tan with blue eyes just like Tracker
listed in your gallery. She was not however overly active or at
least thats not how I remember her to be. We lived in the
country when I got her though, so she was free to go and come
as she pleased, I only remember her following the kids everywhere
they went, she didnt do well in cars (motion sickness),
she was not vicious but did become protective as she got older
she seemed to have a sixth sense about people, she house trained
herself and was content to stay around the house with the family.
She wanted to be where we were. Mesha had no doggy smell and shed
little or no hair.
want to purchase a puppy as a companion to myself. I am an RN
and will be doing some traveling with my work in the next couple
of years as my children are graduating. I dont want a hyperactive
dog that constantly paces or runs away like huskies tend to do
but rather a friend that will be happy to be with me. The dog
will stay inside with the family and will have a run that is aprox
20 ft when outside unattended. We live about 1 mile from the beach
and have lots of parks in the area and I need a jogging companion.
you have any dogs with a temperament like Meshas? When is
your next litter? Would I be a candidate for a puppy? I am very
partial to females and runts for some reason I think that they
make better pets. We would want to fly out to pick up the puppy
as my husbands mother lives in Oregon. Upon viewing your site
my favorite dogs were Ghost Dancer, Woni Shunka, Tracker, and
Kowi. I know there is not a guarantee in colors but after so many
years a breeding I am sure you have an idea which dogs produce
you so much, I look foreword to hearing from you.
Kim, I finally got onto the IIDOBA chat group, & have been
listening, & will post pictures & introduce myself soon....
Hozho & Sundance are a part of my Mandela (tribal configuration)
now. I can't really remember life before they arrived. All in
all the key to being alpha is to be authentic. The genuine article
cannot be imitated & they know it. One either is in tune with
Spirit or not, you get it or not. It's as simple as that. The
beautiful thing is that if one is naturally oneself, that is to
say being human, they LOVE to serve you, you become one with them...The
Rasta I told you about months ago wants to get a pup& Suzie
wants one of her own. I envision a pack someday, slowly but surely
as I move into my "Kingdom" on earth. The horses are
another level altogether...symbols of manifest freedom.....The
pups are a dream come true...I'm already richly blessed by their
compashionship along the beautyway. Your work has many dimensions
to it....Keep under the rainbow, the pups are so smart, their
house training is going really well....I watch Hozho (a Navaho
word for "the beauty way") the Alfa female & Sundance
all day long, learning......I feel so blessed to be growing in
spirit with such fine animals, thank you for pioneering the preservation
of a "lost awareness"-innate wisdom in domesticated
dogs.... loved seeing your dogs in the beautiful environment they
live in...Peace, Johnny
am American Indian and have worked with many Native organizations
and Elders focused on the protection of Sacred Sites, Native Rights
and the return of Ancestral human remains and objects. The results
of this work included the restoration of native flora and fauna
to numerous sites. For over 20 years I have studied with archaeologists,
anthropologists, ethnographers, biologists and ethno botanists in
central and Southern America and Canada. I have worked at a wildlife
refuge for several years where we rehabilitate native wildlife for
release back into the wild. My experience also includes working
with large cats around the world. Our expert care for these animals
comes from veterinarians that teach at universities and as well
as health, have a good knowledge of genetics too. I live with my
family on 50 acres of land formally designated as a sanctuary where
we grow endangered native plants; plants used for medicine, food,
ceremony and fiber and dyes for traditional basket weaving. The
land is also a release site for animals that have been rehabilitated.
Many scientists, scholars, wildlife experts and veterinarians frequent
the sanctuary. There are on site classes enjoyed by Native and non-native
people. Many Elders in the Indian communities teach and tell stories.
Many stories are told of our indigenous dogs. Our American Indian
Dogs that make the sanctuary their home have been a focal point
for all that come here. They have a symbiotic relationship here
with both animals and people. We are all grateful and honored to
have them still here with us.
have an ancient history all there own. The modern breed registries
and most breeders have conveniently forgotten the varied genetics
all dog breeds have and how important paying close attention to
genetics can be for the future of any animal. Many people unhappy
with the multitude of health and emotional problems related to
pure AKC type or exotic breeds are now
seeking out a healthy dog breed; (The American Indian). Pervasive
in western thinking is that all life is homogenous, the same,
sameness is a virtue. They need to isolate and label the AKC types
in order to understand them and put them in categories. Veterinarians
opinions vary on treatment and care, trainers on discipline and
training. All these same political opinions have even involved
our American Indian Dogs. Beyond scientific theory, doctors and
technology (where scientists must remain detached from there subject
matter) ; exists the wisdom of the Elders in the American Indian
communities throughout North and South America. Indian people
are taught and do this naturally; to participate, interact and
experience life and their surroundings, regardless of profession.
When the Elders speak of harmony and balance it is energy that
radiates throughout the Universe. It is a movement that is always
evolving, shifting and always changing. Many tribal people have
moved to new locations environments, intermarried and exchanged
stories and knowledge, medicine and cultural traditions. Some
of this knowledge and traditions have survived the worst of adversity.
Elders still continue to pass on this knowledge to those honorable
enough to receive this precious and guarded wisdom. Kim La Flamme
has been accountable not only for his breeding practices but also
to the Elders, who have guided him with their knowledge. Kim La
Flamme has chosen to share his life long work knowledge and his
dogs, an achievement accomplished with dignity and dedication
to preserving our American Indian Dogs.
I have learned from scientific experts is that relatively little
research has been done on our native dogs. These studies are in
their infancy. To the lay person it might appear that substantial
studies have been done. The scientific theories on this subject
by numerous disciplines, not only vary; but are very contradictory
at best. Many studies have failed to even answer some very basic
questions. Evolutionary biologists have bitterly disputed what
constitutes a Species. Some of the latest research
suggests the domestication of dogs was an event that happened
several times in deferent parts of the world. These domesticated
dogs may have bred again with wild canines and were then again
domesticated. There is NOT a collective view or opinion from scientists
or veterinarians on American Indian Dogs. . Diversity
among the human species is hard enough of a concept for many people
to accept or respect let alone the genetic variation of dogs.
I hope the irretrievable loss and lack of respect of these dogs
in the past will not continue in the present fueled only by ignorance
and misunderstandings. Different world views colliding define
the conflict surrounding the American Indian Dogs. One very important
thing to remember, to quote Kim La Flamme ; The only thing
that matters is that the American Indian Dog breed is simply the
closest thing we have left on this planet of our old Indian Dogs,
and the healthiest dog breed, both mentally and physically, and
if we can maintain control of our own breed, it will remain that
way, plane and simple.
Cindy Bloom. Chicago IL.